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by **S.S. N** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 7:22 pm

when i say doorblocker, i mean the panzer in the front door holdin everything up or the guy intentionally blocking a door or ladder.

by **Rule of Wrist** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 7:30 pm

I also object to kenny's proclamation "If I see anybody on my team doing this I'm going to stand in front of them so they burn themselves."

This is grounds for being kicked in my opinion. If I ever see that kind of shit, I will vote to kick you or point you out to whatever admin is on. Whoever it may be.

If you want to do something about it, switch teams. But don't try to kill your own team because you don't agree with their tactics. That's just childish.

I am reminded of Sun Tzu: If your enemy is content, irritate him. If he is irritated, soothe his anger. Always take the initiative in battle.

by **aphid** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 8:40 pm

Originally posted by Rule of Wrist
This is war, people, not tiddlywinks. There is a counterattack for every tactic. If you're not good enough to implement it, I suggest maybe practicing until you are.

No, this is a game called Wolfenstein. In real war, there is no cheap strategies. In a game there is and this is one of them. I don't like it when there is a flamer there. I think it is cheap and boring. It also takes no skill. However, if someone wants to sit there and flame all game long I have no objections. With how easy they are to kill there, their whole team can do it as far as I am concerned.

by **Rule of Wrist** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 9:02 pm

There are no style points in this game. That tactic is within the rules. How you win is unimportant, as long as you win.

This is a game. However, to be good at it, you must adopt a warlike attitude. I thought that would be obvious, but, apparently not.

by **OSPREY** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 9:11 pm

Ill wiegh in on this subject a bit. One of the things I most strive for bieng an extreme low level admin is to not influence gameplay. The round and all of its good and bad points should be run without any intervention by any admin. I jumped into a game late last Sat , when everyone was begging me to kick a nazi who kept standing in front of the flamer on the stair banister. He claimed " He did not like this tactic its cheap and SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED" . After some quick pm's I told him simply , its not his server to regulate. The brilliant developers who come up with these mods and really give people like our favorite chaps at OC48 the ability to change the game the way THEY SEE FIT . Good pays out 300.00 quid a month for this server .He makes the rules and sets the standard . A standard that really is seperating his server from the thousands out there.

Remember fellas , in war or any other game , the obj matters . what you do in between is simply fodder. I do not condone undeniable lude behavior ( changing names , standing in doorways etc) and cursing at specific individuals , and of course anything that is downright ignorant and racist.

Let the bloke have the stairs , when I run up and jam that grenade right up his ass he'll think twice about going back.

by **Aim High** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 9:23 pm

Agreed Osprey! :blow:

by **Rule of Wrist** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 9:28 pm

I was there for that game Osprey and I remember who it was without naming names. You are absolutely right. And you were right to take action. It is not for one player to decide if (his own team's!) tactics are cheap or not.

There are lots of other things to cry about in the game besides tactics. Doorblocking panzer morons are one. Unaware team members are another.

But not tactics....

by **aphid** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 11:58 pm

Originally posted by Rule of Wrist
There are lots of other things to cry about in the game besides tactics. Doorblocking panzer morons are one.

Hey, this is war and that is a tactic that people use and it is within the rules. Standing in the forward bunker door gives panzers a great shot at the upper base of the axis. If need be, you can also quickly duck back into the bunker if someone is shooting at you. Whatever tactic wins the game right?

by **Rule of Wrist** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:17 am

Aphid, this is the second thread you have decided to get into an unprovoked argument with me. If you have some objective other than a logical discussion then lets hear it.

Firing the panzer from the flag bunker door to the axis bunker windows is NOT a good tactic. On this server there are so many people coming OUT of the bunker door that anyone trying to come IN serves only as a hindrance to the team. What's more with all the axis artillery and airstrikes, it just serves to get the allies jammed together and then blown up en masse. Anyone who has spent five minutes on the server when there is more than twenty people on knows this. A better tactic for the panzerer is to clear out axis choke points.

If you want to argue with me you had better try harder than that.

by **aphid** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:51 am

No, I just want you to stop being a hypocrite who thinks he is this master tactician. Just because you like people flaming on the stairs does not make it any more of a legit "tactic" than panzering from bunker door. They both are horrible in my opinion. For someone like you to tell people they should accept and basically like it because it is within the rules and wins games is annoying (one reason you are getting this treatment from me). That is also the point where you become a hypocrite (second reason you are getting this treatment from me).

The reason you say flaming is a legit tactic is because it is in within the rules and it helps win games. Last time I checked, shooting the panzer from the door is also within the rules. It also helps win games as panzers hitting people in the upper axis base kill them. Less axis up at one time, the easier it is to return documents. You don't like getting blocked by that panzer? Go out the back door of the bunker, "There is a counterattack for every tactic. If you're not good enough to implement it, I suggest maybe practicing until you are". Oh, and I'll throw another quote of yours in here too.

It is not for one player to decide if (his own team's!) tactics are cheap or not.

I already know you consider panzering from the door as a tactic as you said it in your last reply. So, are you starting to grasp what I am saying here yet? If not, flaming and panzering from bunker door are both legit tactics. Just because you like one and not the other does not make either one anymore of a good tactic than the other.

That was my long winded reply since you goaded me into it with your snooty little remark. Next time I suggest you stop digging yourself in a deeper hole with stupid comments.

by **Rule of Wrist** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 4:06 am

If you think that killing maybe one axis with a panzer and in the process getting half your team killed is beneficial, then you are not worth arguing with.

As far as whether I like a tactic or not, here is the difference. One tactic will not piss off anybody on your own team unless they are stupid. The other tactic will. I have seen numerous complaints from many people about the panzer in the doorway tactic. And they are not from axis, because it helps them win!

I thought I would point that out since you are not smart enough to see it for yourself.
:tard:

by **#1HiTPoInT** » Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:40 am

Yo, Kenny. It's all part of the game. That's a stupid complaint. If you don't want to play, then just leave and find another server to play on.

by **#1HiTPoInT** » Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:43 am

Yeah, the only cheap thing that we have to prevent is door blocking.

Well said OSPREY, I was there for the game, as well.

by **bayotanzk** » Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:20 pm

The game is a war simulation and all is not fair, but it is quite gratifying to waste the flamer by whatever means you choose. Frag on.

by **#1HiTPoInT** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:41 pm

Wolfenstein is a great game. If you think that those things ruin the game, then just go somewhere else. The one thing that ruins the game is complainers like you. If someone on the other team has a strategy, then let them use it.

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