Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:07 pm
how many times have we heard this out of you retard??
Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:32 pm
Originally posted by Wolfy2
how many times have we heard this out of you retard??
lets just ignore him... he's a moron... wait, I always say that then I start saying this about why the hell am I responding... agh!:confused:
Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:37 pm
Originally posted by Kingofbeers
I think they should pull the plug on the entire family.
Originally posted by SkiloDog2000
i think they should plug the entire family
Can these two please get a hotel room together?
Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:51 pm
Originally posted by Trash Can
Can these two please get a hotel room together?
I've been saying that for years. and by years I mean since I read your post a few seconds ago.
Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:03 am
Originally posted by |RS|DocTrebor
Ok
so that they may have healthcare. The children are the future, yet we take from them to keep elderly alive one last run in which they live in pain and produce nothing.
Maybe we should just liquefy the elderly (Logans run) and feed the new elderly the protein until we liquefy them, etc. The disturbing thing to me is that Hitler gave speeches saying basically what you are saying Doc. He also had all kinds of facts and figures to back up his position. I mean he only started with the mentally retarded who did not produce for the German society. He forgot the most important figure and that would be the human equation
Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:20 am
Logans run was sick. lets do it.
Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:24 am
I hear ya...and youre right (kind of scares me a bit too--dont worry im not Hitler 
). Im not trying to go down the Eugenics path...Im just saying its bad policy in what they are doing and needs to be revised.
It just is insane when people have wills to not be put on life support but put them on anyway because there is a technicality or just dont care and have 4 different tubes connected to parts of the body to keep them "alive" like something out of the matrix...im not for eradicating the weak
But point well made sir.
). Im not trying to go down the Eugenics path...Im just saying its bad policy in what they are doing and needs to be revised.
It just is insane when people have wills to not be put on life support but put them on anyway because there is a technicality or just dont care and have 4 different tubes connected to parts of the body to keep them "alive" like something out of the matrix...im not for eradicating the weak
But point well made sir.
Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:34 am
just curious... does this fall under the "no political posts" rule by Ryan? gah, don't think of me as a bitch! just had to know...
Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:43 am
I didn't know there was a "no political posts" rule, but if that's the case then I will refrain from future such posts. That's what motivates me though to kick major ass on the beach, stupid stories that I watch on Fox News, those unfair and unbalanced retards.
Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:48 am
Originally posted by JamaicanBuddha
I didn't know there was a "no political posts" rule, but if that's the case then I will refrain from future such posts. That's what motivates me though to kick major ass on the beach, stupid stories that I watch on Fox News, those unfair and unbalanced retards.
Ok.
Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:09 am
ya, no political or religious posts
Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:22 am
Originally posted by El Snipo
Logans run was sick. lets do it.
O.K. your grandparents are first and then you get to pull the lever on the next 50 million old people that don't produce anything. When you look at it that way it isn't all that funny is it? By the way in 18 years your parents are next.
Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:15 am
I think the one good thing that has come out of this case as far as the media attention it has gotten is it has got people talking. I'm sure that there are a lot of people that are discussing it with spouses and loved ones and they've said "well if that was me I wouldn't want to live that way." I'm a nurse and have found that people admitted to hospital that are generally under the age of 70 have discussed what their wishes are as far as do not resuscitate. When the question arises to folks above 80 a typical response is "well try it once but I don't want to become a vegetable" They just don't get the whole picture.
Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:35 am
Originally posted by SGT DEVILDOG
O.K. your grandparents are first and then you get to pull the lever on the next 50 million old people that don't produce anything. When you look at it that way it isn't all that funny is it? By the way in 18 years your parents are next.
yeah well Logans Run was about a gent who was running from the law as he was too old to live in the soceity, at thirty years old. I just thought it was a good movie, gosh.
Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:20 pm
Here is a timeline of events regarding Terri Shiavo to help the relatively uninformed (such as myself):
Key Dates In Life Of Terri Schiavo
This is the timeline in the case of Terri Schiavo, who has been at the center of a protracted legal battle between her husband and parents over the husband's attempts to remove her feeding tube:
1990
Feb. 25: Terri Schiavo collapses in her home. Doctors believe a potassium imbalance caused her heart to temporarily stop, cutting off oxygen to her brain.
1992
November: Terri's husband, Michael, wins malpractice suit that accused doctors of misdiagnosing his wife; jury awards more than more than $700,000 for her care, Michael receives an additional $300,000.
1993
Feb. 14: Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, have a falling out with Michael over the malpractice suit money and Terri's care.
July 29: Bob and Mary Schindler file petition to have Michael Schiavo removed as Terri's guardian. The case is later dismissed.
1998
May: Michael Schiavo files petition to remove Terri's feeding tube. 2000
Feb. 11: Circuit Judge George W. Greer rules feeding tube can be removed. 2001
Jan. 24: 2nd District Court of Appeal upholds Greer's decision.
March 29: Greer rules feeding tube to be removed April 20.
April 18: Florida Supreme Court refuses to intervene in the case.
April 20: U.S. District Judge Richard Lazzara grants the Schindlers a stay until April 23 to exhaust appeals.
April 23: U.S. Supreme Court refuses to intervene.
April 24: Feeding tube is removed from Terri Schiavo.
April 26: Circuit Judge Frank Quesada orders doctors to reinsert Terri's feeding tube.
April 30: Lawyers for Michael Schiavo file emergency motion with appellate court asking it to order removal of Terri's feeding tube.
July 11: 2nd District Court of Appeal sends case back to Judge Greer.
July 18: Schindlers ask Greer to let their doctors evaluate Terri before making a final decision on removing the feeding tube.
Aug. 10: Greer denies the Schindlers' evaluation request, as well as their request to remove Michael Schiavo as guardian.
Sept. 26: Schindlers' attorneys argue before 2nd District Court of Appeal, citing testimony from seven doctors who say Terri can recover with the right treatment.
Oct. 3: 2nd District Court of Appeal delays removal of feeding tube indefinitely.
Oct. 17: 2nd District Court of Appeal rules that five doctors can examine Terri to determine whether she has any hope of recovery. Two doctors are picked by the Schindlers, two are picked by Michael Schiavo and one is picked by the court.
2002
Feb. 13: Mediation attempts fail; Michael Schiavo again seeks to be allowed to remove Terri's feeding tube.
Oct. 12: Weeklong hearing begins in the case. Three doctors, including the one appointed by the court, testify that Terri is in a persistent, vegetative state with no hope of recovery. The two doctors selected by the Schindlers say she can recover.
Nov. 22: Judge Greer rules that there is no evidence that Terri has any hope of recovery and orders feeding tube to be removed Jan. 3, 2003.
Dec. 13: Judge Greer stays order to remove feeding tube on Jan. 3 until the 2nd District Court of Appeal reviews the case.
2003
April 4: Schindlers' attorneys ask 2nd District Court of Appeal panel to "err on the side of life" and overturn Greer's ruling.
June 6: 2nd District Court of Appeal upholds Greer's ruling.
July 15: The 2nd District Court of Appeal refuses to rehear the case.
Aug. 22: The Florida Supreme Court declines to hear case.
Sept. 2: Schindlers take case to federal court seeking judicial intervention.
Sept. 17: Judge Greer sets Oct. 15 date for removal of tube.
Oct. 3: Attorney General Charlie Crist says he won't get involved in case.
Oct. 7: Gov. Jeb Bush files a federal court brief urging Terri Schiavo be kept alive.
Oct. 10: U.S. District Judge Lazzara rules he does not have jurisdiction to intervene in case.
Oct. 13: Protesters and Schindler family begin 24-hour vigil at Pinellas Park hospice where Terri Schiavo lives.
Oct. 14: 2nd District Court of Appeal again refuses to block tube removal.
Oct. 15: Doctors remove feeding tube; Bush pledges to search for possible legal options to resume feedings.
Oct. 17: Two state courts reject the Schindler's request to reinsert the feeding tube.
Oct. 20: The Florida House of Representatives votes to give governor the power to issue a stay in the feeding tube dispute.
Oct. 21: The Senate and House pass a bill allowing Bush to intervene. He signs the bill, called "Terri's Law," then issues an order to reinsert the tube. Morton Plant Hospital begins rehydrating Terri Schiavo, six days after her feeding tube was removed. A judge rejects a request by her husband's attorney to temporarily restrain the governor's order.
Dec. 2: An independent guardian concludes there's "no reasonable medical hope" that Terri Schiavo will improve.
2004
May 6: Circuit Judge W. Douglas Baird rules the law allowing Bush to intervene is unconstitutional. The governor's attorneys appeal.
June 1: 2nd District Court of Appeal agrees to let Michael Schiavo's attorney ask the Florida Supreme Court to take the appeal directly, bypassing the 2nd DCA.
June 16: In a 4-3 order, the Florida Supreme Court agrees to take the appeal.
Aug. 31: Oral arguments in the case are nationally televised.
Sept. 23: Florida Supreme Court strikes down "Terri's Law" as unconstitutional.
Oct. 22: Greer refuses to hold a new trial based on recent comments from Pope John Paul II calling the withdrawl of food and hydration from the disabled a sin.
Dec. 1: Bush's attorney ask the U.S. Supreme Court to take the case on "Terri's Law."
Dec. 29: The 2nd District Court of Appeal upholds Greer's decision not to grant a new trial.
2005
Jan. 24: U.S. Supreme Court refuses to hear the appeal brought by the governor's attorneys.
Jan. 28: An attorney for the family of Terri Schiavo asks Greer to allow him to proceed with a motion arguing that her due-process rights were violated because she has never had her own attorney.
Feb. 22: The 2nd District Court of Appeal clears the way for Michael Schiavo to remove Terri's feeding tube.
March 16: The 2nd District Court of Appeal denies an appeal by Terri's parents. That cleared the way for removal of the feeding tube on March 18.
Key Dates In Life Of Terri Schiavo
This is the timeline in the case of Terri Schiavo, who has been at the center of a protracted legal battle between her husband and parents over the husband's attempts to remove her feeding tube:
1990
Feb. 25: Terri Schiavo collapses in her home. Doctors believe a potassium imbalance caused her heart to temporarily stop, cutting off oxygen to her brain.
1992
November: Terri's husband, Michael, wins malpractice suit that accused doctors of misdiagnosing his wife; jury awards more than more than $700,000 for her care, Michael receives an additional $300,000.
1993
Feb. 14: Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, have a falling out with Michael over the malpractice suit money and Terri's care.
July 29: Bob and Mary Schindler file petition to have Michael Schiavo removed as Terri's guardian. The case is later dismissed.
1998
May: Michael Schiavo files petition to remove Terri's feeding tube. 2000
Feb. 11: Circuit Judge George W. Greer rules feeding tube can be removed. 2001
Jan. 24: 2nd District Court of Appeal upholds Greer's decision.
March 29: Greer rules feeding tube to be removed April 20.
April 18: Florida Supreme Court refuses to intervene in the case.
April 20: U.S. District Judge Richard Lazzara grants the Schindlers a stay until April 23 to exhaust appeals.
April 23: U.S. Supreme Court refuses to intervene.
April 24: Feeding tube is removed from Terri Schiavo.
April 26: Circuit Judge Frank Quesada orders doctors to reinsert Terri's feeding tube.
April 30: Lawyers for Michael Schiavo file emergency motion with appellate court asking it to order removal of Terri's feeding tube.
July 11: 2nd District Court of Appeal sends case back to Judge Greer.
July 18: Schindlers ask Greer to let their doctors evaluate Terri before making a final decision on removing the feeding tube.
Aug. 10: Greer denies the Schindlers' evaluation request, as well as their request to remove Michael Schiavo as guardian.
Sept. 26: Schindlers' attorneys argue before 2nd District Court of Appeal, citing testimony from seven doctors who say Terri can recover with the right treatment.
Oct. 3: 2nd District Court of Appeal delays removal of feeding tube indefinitely.
Oct. 17: 2nd District Court of Appeal rules that five doctors can examine Terri to determine whether she has any hope of recovery. Two doctors are picked by the Schindlers, two are picked by Michael Schiavo and one is picked by the court.
2002
Feb. 13: Mediation attempts fail; Michael Schiavo again seeks to be allowed to remove Terri's feeding tube.
Oct. 12: Weeklong hearing begins in the case. Three doctors, including the one appointed by the court, testify that Terri is in a persistent, vegetative state with no hope of recovery. The two doctors selected by the Schindlers say she can recover.
Nov. 22: Judge Greer rules that there is no evidence that Terri has any hope of recovery and orders feeding tube to be removed Jan. 3, 2003.
Dec. 13: Judge Greer stays order to remove feeding tube on Jan. 3 until the 2nd District Court of Appeal reviews the case.
2003
April 4: Schindlers' attorneys ask 2nd District Court of Appeal panel to "err on the side of life" and overturn Greer's ruling.
June 6: 2nd District Court of Appeal upholds Greer's ruling.
July 15: The 2nd District Court of Appeal refuses to rehear the case.
Aug. 22: The Florida Supreme Court declines to hear case.
Sept. 2: Schindlers take case to federal court seeking judicial intervention.
Sept. 17: Judge Greer sets Oct. 15 date for removal of tube.
Oct. 3: Attorney General Charlie Crist says he won't get involved in case.
Oct. 7: Gov. Jeb Bush files a federal court brief urging Terri Schiavo be kept alive.
Oct. 10: U.S. District Judge Lazzara rules he does not have jurisdiction to intervene in case.
Oct. 13: Protesters and Schindler family begin 24-hour vigil at Pinellas Park hospice where Terri Schiavo lives.
Oct. 14: 2nd District Court of Appeal again refuses to block tube removal.
Oct. 15: Doctors remove feeding tube; Bush pledges to search for possible legal options to resume feedings.
Oct. 17: Two state courts reject the Schindler's request to reinsert the feeding tube.
Oct. 20: The Florida House of Representatives votes to give governor the power to issue a stay in the feeding tube dispute.
Oct. 21: The Senate and House pass a bill allowing Bush to intervene. He signs the bill, called "Terri's Law," then issues an order to reinsert the tube. Morton Plant Hospital begins rehydrating Terri Schiavo, six days after her feeding tube was removed. A judge rejects a request by her husband's attorney to temporarily restrain the governor's order.
Dec. 2: An independent guardian concludes there's "no reasonable medical hope" that Terri Schiavo will improve.
2004
May 6: Circuit Judge W. Douglas Baird rules the law allowing Bush to intervene is unconstitutional. The governor's attorneys appeal.
June 1: 2nd District Court of Appeal agrees to let Michael Schiavo's attorney ask the Florida Supreme Court to take the appeal directly, bypassing the 2nd DCA.
June 16: In a 4-3 order, the Florida Supreme Court agrees to take the appeal.
Aug. 31: Oral arguments in the case are nationally televised.
Sept. 23: Florida Supreme Court strikes down "Terri's Law" as unconstitutional.
Oct. 22: Greer refuses to hold a new trial based on recent comments from Pope John Paul II calling the withdrawl of food and hydration from the disabled a sin.
Dec. 1: Bush's attorney ask the U.S. Supreme Court to take the case on "Terri's Law."
Dec. 29: The 2nd District Court of Appeal upholds Greer's decision not to grant a new trial.
2005
Jan. 24: U.S. Supreme Court refuses to hear the appeal brought by the governor's attorneys.
Jan. 28: An attorney for the family of Terri Schiavo asks Greer to allow him to proceed with a motion arguing that her due-process rights were violated because she has never had her own attorney.
Feb. 22: The 2nd District Court of Appeal clears the way for Michael Schiavo to remove Terri's feeding tube.
March 16: The 2nd District Court of Appeal denies an appeal by Terri's parents. That cleared the way for removal of the feeding tube on March 18.