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[Paco's Gun]

You people really need to learn how shit works instead of just making up dumbass theories.

@ Leafy/Twitch/Weezy: Your monitor can't draw 333 frames in one second. Your monitor can't even draw 125 frames in a second. There is no visual difference and/or advantage between the two. You are stupid. Even if your monitor could draw 333 frames in a second (which it can't), claiming that your inability to see an opposing player 333 times in one second hinders your ability to kill them is a joke.

[Leafy]

You are stupid.

While 24FPS is generally considered an acceptable rate for motion animation, I know that the game skips much more and plays less smooth at my usual 20-40FPS then when I pull a rare 125.

Your point, while you sound like a arrogant 12 year old (oh, that's prolly what you are ;>) when you make it, is well taken. Consider, however, other analogue vs digital techs. Despite the fact that 44khz is regarded as an acceptable limit on sound as "the ear can't hear beyond that", you will not likely convince me that analogue recordings don't sound better. Funny - my old CRT could run 120hz I think. Heh. Better than my LCD.

Anyway. As I said I'm not an expert on the Q3 engine or really anything. Clearly you are. Thanks for your tremendous insights. I feel illuminated.

[Gamb]

Yes Paco that is why both TWL and CAL banned 333, or maybe it was just because it was half as evil as 666

The monitor may not be showing 333 but the video card can render those frames. So your video card is rendering the game at 333fps but the monitor can not, what is the outcome?

[Paco's Gun]

I didn't say that it shouldn't be banned, I said that it doesn't make your gun shoot faster. It doesn't. Changing the upper limit of frames produced has no bearing on the second within which those frames are produced. It's always one second. It was banned in competition for a lot of reasons, but guns shooting faster isn't one of them. I could hypothesize about why you can (seemingly) jump higher and faster, but I won't.

The end result is not that the server references your frame rate in order to calculate how fast your gun shoots.

[skibby]

(seemingly)

I don't think i "seemed" to jump 3.5 dzm further b/c i did actually jump that b/c i was capped at 333

[weezy]

The end result is not that the server references your frame rate in order to calculate how fast your gun shoots.

We pretty much agreed with that in the beginning, I don't think you realized that we agreed and brought into the discussion perception of reality. Its not a theory, its a way of thinking. Just how you think I'm an idiot and we are all stupid. I can make dumbass theories like: you take it up the butt, and you and SavageParrot go on late night dates, but I do not. I make relevant arguments which seem to stump juventus alot, thus the: wat

Twitch wasn't involved in any way, but here you go .

Now, play at 1 fps, and 24 fps, and 15 fps, and tell me you can own everybody... If you can (which I cannot) own everybody at 15 fps I will shutup and your mundane insults will be warranted.

Just for the record you do know an object that is blue is every color but blue. Right?

[Twitch]

You people really need to learn how shit works instead of just making up dumbass theories.

@ Leafy/Twitch/Weezy: Your monitor can't draw 333 frames in one second. Your monitor can't even draw 125 frames in a second. There is no visual difference and/or advantage between the two. You are stupid.

I am not in this conversation or even posted in this thread. You sure you're not the stupid one?

[thegamecat]

I don't get how 333 now doesn't seem to do anything now..how come i can jump to 30 dzm on 333 but only 26.5 on 125fps? IT has to be jacking around with something in order to allow someone to move/play like that

There are jumps you can make with 333 and not with 125. Just the simple reality of the engine.

[thegamecat]

I didn't say that it shouldn't be banned, I said that it doesn't make your gun shoot faster. It doesn't. Changing the upper limit of frames produced has no bearing on the second within which those frames are produced. It's always one second. It was banned in competition for a lot of reasons, but guns shooting faster isn't one of them. I could hypothesize about why you can (seemingly) jump higher and faster, but I won't.

The end result is not that the server references your frame rate in order to calculate how fast your gun shoots.

Here's a list of jumps you can make with 333 and cannot make with 125 - this was from 4k^ogdoad from a looong time ago:

Breach jump on beach
Ice jump from above axis tunnel exit to the base wall
Assault walk up the mountain
There are more - bear in mind I've not tested this because I've never had 333fps but og was a good guy and knew the game inside out.

And yes, the gun fires faster which is the first reason it got removed from clan play by cb in europe.

[skibby]

gamecat - sigh..

obviously you can jump further - and i'm wondering why this is b/c according to paco 333 is no different from 125 - it just seems different. And your list is silly - i have made every one of those jumps on 125 and most on 76.

One jump i know for sure that is only possible with 333 is walking up the mountain on ICE right above the tunnel.

[thegamecat]

gamecat - sigh..

obviously you can jump further - and i'm wondering why this is b/c according to paco 333 is no different from 125 - it just seems different. And your list is silly - i have made every one of those jumps on 125 and most on 76.

One jump i know for sure that is only possible with 333 is walking up the mountain on ICE right above the tunnel.

Why are you sighing at me, I'm agreeing with you.

Have you? I never knew anyone who could do any of those without 333.

[skibby]

Oh i dunno - i kinda misread you thus the 'sigh'. I'd say most of the osp players on ecgn can hit those jumps, maybe not consistently (i can't hit the breach jump but 1 outta 20 times but i can hit the ice one everytime)

[Paco's Gun]

I said "seemingly" because I don't actually know what's happening. Just like you don't know what's happening. The jumps may be possible because the engine can better calculate where you are and the angles that you hit. That still wouldn't explain why you can only do certain jumps at special numbers (43/76/125/333). Or they may be possible for another reason entirely. I don't actually know.

To Twitch, I was referring to this

I'll quote - I think it was Twitch - on the FPS issue. "You can't shoot what you can't see."

I wasn't going to search for threads to make sure that he quoted the right person, but if it was then the post was for you.

I've also done all of those jumps w/ 125.

[Leafy]

To Twitch, I was referring to this I wasn't going to search for threads to make sure that he quoted the right person, but if it was then the post was for you.

Ya no need to check the posts. It was a conversation I had with someone in game. Quite a while back too. Maybe not Twitch. Twitch if I misquoted you I apologize.

[Gamb]

Ogdoad and his brother Nexus, both great players, was great fun playing with them in lemmings. Ahh the good ole days