Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:58 pm
dont know, all the great panzer guys dont really use the panzer any more. thats about it. and if its a rtcw topic about 24/7 beach i think only beach players should respond to the posts. just my thought. .=nde=. cowboy is still great with the panzer he got like 87 kills tonight so the arc probably have to get used to. i hope people dont start whining about venoms cause they are good weapons.
Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:18 pm
AND I STILL VISIT THE BEACH EARLY IN MORN AND LATE AT NIGHT KILLAMIKEL SO 
ON YOU.
ON YOU.
Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:07 pm
I remember it way back then. That was about 1 1/2 (?) years ago. It was garbage. I liked the server but hated the fact I died so much from airstrikes. You just could not win.
In fact Zog, you were one of the biggest complainers back then if I remember right. I did agree with your gripes back then...However, I wouldn't exactly point fingers on an issue like this. People felt strongly on this issue and spoke up just like you did with airstrikes.
Having said that, a lot of you are some of the biggest over exaggerators that I have ever seen. I mean come on...cap guns, sten limits, no axis? I'd like to know why exactly does this matter to some of you even. Is it because your kill ratio will go down or something similar? I can see why Ticks would have something to say about the arc because he always uses a panzer (btw grenades are effected by gravity) and that is fine. It's typical though, there is always some people that want to complain about changes so they can get their voice heard and say hey look at me guys!
If Boc made a fix for the server to stop crashing ever so often, people would find a reason to not like that change too.
In fact Zog, you were one of the biggest complainers back then if I remember right. I did agree with your gripes back then...However, I wouldn't exactly point fingers on an issue like this. People felt strongly on this issue and spoke up just like you did with airstrikes.
Having said that, a lot of you are some of the biggest over exaggerators that I have ever seen. I mean come on...cap guns, sten limits, no axis? I'd like to know why exactly does this matter to some of you even. Is it because your kill ratio will go down or something similar? I can see why Ticks would have something to say about the arc because he always uses a panzer (btw grenades are effected by gravity) and that is fine. It's typical though, there is always some people that want to complain about changes so they can get their voice heard and say hey look at me guys!
If Boc made a fix for the server to stop crashing ever so often, people would find a reason to not like that change too.
Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:13 pm
Exactly my point, Aphid. The server has become a little watered down, and the players playing there make noises and get changes made.
It's their server more than mine, especially now (since I rarely play there). Let them warp and tweak thintgs until everything is perfect and watered down.
I did complain about the air strikes, because there was NO LIMIT at all on them. There has always been a limit on panzers. I think having just two is pathetic.
And , yes...I died a lot. But I'm quite proud of the fact that the Allied teams I was on won their fair share of games. Nothing is easy in life, my friend.
It will definitely make for a different game...and maybe not in the way people are expecting.
It's their server more than mine, especially now (since I rarely play there). Let them warp and tweak thintgs until everything is perfect and watered down.
I did complain about the air strikes, because there was NO LIMIT at all on them. There has always been a limit on panzers. I think having just two is pathetic.
And , yes...I died a lot. But I'm quite proud of the fact that the Allied teams I was on won their fair share of games. Nothing is easy in life, my friend.
It will definitely make for a different game...and maybe not in the way people are expecting.
Thu Oct 09, 2003 6:26 am
all im sayin is that i remember winning in those no limit days, way before alot of these " regulars" even played there. i remember ppl lt spamming, hell elite guard was one of the biggest user of that tactic and i hated his french canadian ass:P for it but it was never " impossible" to win
Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:50 am
i think this server is gearing down for the noobs ...making the game to easy for the players who cant avoid panzer and airstrikes or quality defense.you turn the airstrike almost off take away half the panzers and leave that medic bar so fast. just seems like the server is catering to a couple cry babys who hate the fact that there are good players on the server who constantly kick there ass.and for anyone who thinks i can only use the panzer come to a no ff server with me sometime ill take your helmet i collect them. 
Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:30 am
Originally posted by ticks-&-leeches
i think this server is gearing down for the noobs ...making the game to easy for the players who cant avoid panzer and airstrikes or quality defense.you turn the airstrike almost off take away half the panzers and leave that medic bar so fast. just seems like the server is catering to a couple cry babys who hate the fact that there are good players on the server who constantly kick there ass.and for anyone who thinks i can only use the panzer come to a no ff server with me sometime ill take your helmet i collect them.
why does it matter whether FF is on or off. A good player is good in either situation except for the players that make a living off of weapons with large blast radiuses.
Thu Oct 09, 2003 12:22 pm
rofl sure guy i guess having to avoid bullets,grenades,airstrikes and panzers from 2 teams instead of one makes no change in gameplay.some people can play this game for 2 more years and still have no idea whats going on
Thu Oct 09, 2003 12:39 pm
I was having a ball before and I am still having fun. It is just different. Before I was panzering more and now I am having fun killing noobs with panzers already shouldered in the ducts. I get them before they can even spin up.
I dont think they pick the panzer any less though. The first night the ones that couldn't get panzers all chose venoms. Man, I never saw so many venoms. I dont think the noobs get any advantage this way if the good players remember to gib. More get to the ducts but I took out 15 the other night as a med before I got killed in the ducts.
I think the server is fine either way. You just have to adjust your gameplay. I didnt see the need for limits but the game is just as good with them, just different.
I dont think they pick the panzer any less though. The first night the ones that couldn't get panzers all chose venoms. Man, I never saw so many venoms. I dont think the noobs get any advantage this way if the good players remember to gib. More get to the ducts but I took out 15 the other night as a med before I got killed in the ducts.
I think the server is fine either way. You just have to adjust your gameplay. I didnt see the need for limits but the game is just as good with them, just different.
Thu Oct 09, 2003 1:36 pm
FF makes a lot of difference. When an unexperienced panzer is camping in the WR, and his points are reduced to -10, and get kicked from the server, the chance of surviving the warroom as Allies is a lot bigger.
Uhum...now almost everybody is whining about limits, I want to add my opinion
Panzer: 2 is fine. You have to keep in mind that Beach is not a big map, so the panzer can influence the game easily.
venom: keep it this way, because a Mp40 or Thompson can easily own them, so shut up please
flamer: 3-4 is enough, it is hard to kill somebody with flamer. And with FF on, the can't camp in WR.
lt + airstrikes: nothing wrong with it. But because my Power Bar hardly grow, ppl are always whining at me when I can't give them ammo.
nades: Love it to throw them in the trenches. One of my strongest points
Do I have to continue??
Admins are doing a great job, and we can frag happily ever after.
Uhum...now almost everybody is whining about limits, I want to add my opinion
Panzer: 2 is fine. You have to keep in mind that Beach is not a big map, so the panzer can influence the game easily.
venom: keep it this way, because a Mp40 or Thompson can easily own them, so shut up please
flamer: 3-4 is enough, it is hard to kill somebody with flamer. And with FF on, the can't camp in WR.
lt + airstrikes: nothing wrong with it. But because my Power Bar hardly grow, ppl are always whining at me when I can't give them ammo.
nades: Love it to throw them in the trenches. One of my strongest points
Do I have to continue??
Admins are doing a great job, and we can frag happily ever after.
Thu Oct 09, 2003 1:54 pm
FF on just means getting killed by the Noobs on your own team. Dont think it is a good idea on a 64 player server. Enough changes for now. Lets just see how it goes.
Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:01 pm
Here is an idea although I don't know if it is possible. Limit the big weapons to players with a certain number of hours on the server. That way they learn how to play and shoot before they pick up the big guns.
Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:03 pm
Exactly my point, Aphid. The server has become a little watered down, and the players playing there make noises and get changes made.
It's their server more than mine, especially now (since I rarely play there). Let them warp and tweak things until everything is perfect and watered down.
Yes and it is done with good intentions and I really think this is a positive change for most people. Spend some time on Beach now and you'll see that there is more gun fights and such. Axis are actually depending on team work now to stop the allies. Well, except the odd times when they get crushed because they do not work together.
Despite the gun fights and the defense, not much has changed. You still have the panzer in the War Room which is okay. You also still have the panzer on the Radio Stairs. Now I don't care about dying in trenches to one or the back stairs or even the war room. The Radio Stairs one is the worst. I had hoped that was eliminated...it was not. I hate that one because there is no defense to it and it is the source of numerous complaints. You just have a panzer sitting up top and they wait for the ally to come and then it is suicide time.
That is why I like my idea of a big point reduction in their score if a panzer suicides. Get a certain negative score, you get the automatic kick. If that happens, they should put the panzer limit back up.
Oh well, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:56 pm
Boc turned FF on for about 10 minutes one day while i was on and i was only tked 1 time by an mp40, and it was my own fault i ran in front of him while he was unloading to revive someone, and in the console i didnt see a lot of Tks so you wouldnt be TKed by noobs as much as u think...and the tk rate will decrease the longer the server has FF on
Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:01 pm
Originally posted by ComTech
FF on just means getting killed by the Noobs on your own team. Dont think it is a good idea on a 64 player server. Enough changes for now. Lets just see how it goes.
First of all, that was my point. If you turn FF on, n00bs think twice before they shoot ( or camp).
Second: maybe that is the biggest problem on ECG...you cannot play 64 players on a small map. No wonder why everybody is complaining about panzers.