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[wTh|Greg Profile YIM]

Once a person has killed 70+ people its almost a 100% that they'll get banned for some dumb reason. Dont get me wrong, im not trying to cause trouble, its just that all the good people are getting banned. The guys that have been playing for 5+ years have been banned, and not told the reason why they're banned. If you ban somebody i think that the admins should not saying ya have to, just should give a reason why. Its just that i dont understand why we kick people when wolf is going to die soon, and we shouldn't be kicking people that have stuck with the game and dont do anything. Now remedy i can understand he stacked...killermike? he didn't stack. Hell we have an admin with a name that i dont think is very good, superpuzzy, no offence to her at all i love her. But look at her name, and shes admin. But mike changes his name to "AdminsLoveToHateMe" and he gets banned? (not sure if thats the reason but thats the only reason i can think of) Again puzzy i love ya not tring to pick on ya but its the truth. (again not saying to change your name or anything....but mike has something NOT even close to something like that and he's banned?) Its just getting retarded. It seems as if your missing the Y chromosome your made an admin. Again not tring to cause trouble but just saying the way things look.

[MAN-AT-ARMS]

You're next.

[Stl Lunatic Profile WebsiteYIM]

Here are the things that happen every time a post like this comes up...

1.) The BF community biccer about how the game is still going and how they should just join BF if there so mad about things.
2.) Almost always someone makes a serious post just another joke or unserious and comical thread.
3.) The person who starts the thread gets hated by someway or somehow for voicing there oppinion.
4.) And eventually Man at Arms closes the thread to stop the contraversy.

I think Greg should really think about what he wants from this thread and his post because to tell you the truth no matter what you say Greg about what goes on at the server and who is made admin and who is not and how things are ran, whatever you say will likely have apsolutely no effect on the server.

Once a person has killed 70+ people its almost a 100% that they'll get banned for some dumb reason.

I find this comment to be surprisingly true because many of the players that are this succesfull at killing in this game do often get banned for one reason or another, and often they are hacking or cheating. Although there are exceptions to this and there is people out there who are just that good, I don't think it's right to ban so quickly, but it just happenes and there isn't much that can be done.

Dont get me wrong, im not trying to cause trouble, its just that all the good people are getting banned. The guys that have been playing for 5+ years have been banned, and not told the reason why they're banned. If you ban somebody i think that the admins should not saying ya have to, just should give a reason why. Its just that i dont understand why we kick people when wolf is going to die soon, and we shouldn't be kicking people that have stuck with the game and dont do anything.

Giving a reason should always be a must when banning somone who has given there time for ecgn to keep it running for all of 2-5 years they have played. Wolf is dieing and the ecgn community should try to keep what players they have. I wouldn't be against just kicking people who cause trouble even if they are hacking since the game is so deflated. Alot of you won't agree with this since alot of you are die hard against cheaters and such. I don't like people who cheat at all but what you have to aks yourself is do you want people playing the game or do you want to ban the few people that still play the game including those that have played for nearly 5 years.

Hell we have an admin with a name that i dont think is very good, superpuzzy, no offence to her at all i love her. But look at her name, and shes admin. But mike changes his name to "AdminsLoveToHateMe" and he gets banned?

Superpuzzy's name is a somewhat questionable tag to be wearing, for anyone. Superpuzzy probably deserves to be admin and probably does a great job but Greg is right in pointing this out, its just a little fishy. And if Killermike got banned on the sole reason of his name being adminslovetohateme then that is very wrong and I would have to think without a doubt he did more than just his name.

Again not tring to cause trouble but just saying the way things look.

To tell you the truth I have to agree with the whole missing y chromosome thing. It does seem that every person on the server that has ever openly said they were a girl has eventually become an admin. MrsB, Siren, Ch1ck, Supperpuzzy, Syribo, and several others. Not that any of these people don't deserve to be admins but i think man at arms has made it easyer for these people to become admin.

I think that ever since keekanoo and Savant left wolfenstein and ecgn that things have gone down hill as far as player quality and regular players that have fun on the server. Theres my oppinion

[Slaughter2 Profile]

lol, lots of opinions, but the thing is you guys have no clue what happens behind the scenes, its just not one thing that causes a perm ban on the server, serveral things happen to get it to that point, and I'll let Donny finish this one

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[wTh|Greg Profile YIM]

hold up your going to ban me if i dont stop or your gonna ban me neway?

And again even tho ya'll are taking this the wrong way, i am just pointing out what alot of people have on there minds also. And i think that we SHOULD be able to voice our oppions. I thought thats what forums are for. I said im not tring to cause trouble. And slaughter i have been admin before, i do know what goes on behind everything. And i know there is more than one thing. But the reason he's banned, he SHOULD be able to get A reason why....anything. And not some lame excuse.

[Killer Mike]

Originally posted by Slaughter2
lol, lots of opinions, but the thing is you guys have no clue what happens behind the scenes, its just not one thing that causes a perm ban on the server, serveral things happen to get it to that point, and I'll let Donny finish this one

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Yikes, behind the scenes. You're acting like ECGN is some secret government agency. Give me a break. I'm wanting to know all this talk "behind the scenes" as to why I'm banned. Just come out and lay it on me.

Come on Donnie, grow a pair.
You're little one liners do not suffice my thirst for knowledge!

[Stl Lunatic Profile WebsiteYIM]

Originally posted by MAN-AT-ARMS
You're next.

2.) Almost always someone makes a serious post just another joke or unserious and comical thread.

I say for one time we actually talk this out because before now I have held back my oppinion and I know greg and others have also just because they don't want to get banned or chance being on the bad side of admins, so lets let the words fly.

Lets go

[Slaughter2 Profile]

Originally posted by Killer Mike
Yikes, behind the scenes. You're acting like ECGN is some secret government agency. Give me a break. I'm wanting to know all this talk "behind the scenes" as to why I'm banned. Just come out and lay it on me.

Come on Donnie, grow a pair.
You're little one liners do not suffice my thirst for knowledge!

Its not Mike damn, and I thought this secret thumb card was gonna get me into MmmGood's office

Like that one liner Lun??? lol lol lol

[MAN-AT-ARMS]

1. Number of kills has never been a factor in anyone getting banned. I have no clue who gets how many kills and honeslty I couldn't care less.

2. Players get banned for cheating/hacking or continuoulsy disrupting gameplay for other players on the server. This includes intentional TK'ing and verbally harassing/offending other players. The only bans that stay permanently are the cheats/hacks. Others are most often lifted within a few days unless, except in the few cases of players who never seem to learn how to just play the game and have a good time without starting shit.

3. There are basically 3 active female admins, whereas there are like 5 active male admins. Seems pretty balanced to me. So, What's your point here? You have a problem with females?

BTW, that was a joke Greg. Jeez

[Killer Mike]

Originally posted by Slaughter2
Its not Mike damn, and I thought this secret thumb card was gonna get me into MmmGood's office

Like that one liner Lun??? lol lol lol

At least Man-At-Arms one-liners pissed me off because he didn't tell me shit...just like his next post (he posted 3 times). Honestly, what the hell are you talking about?

Thank you M@A for typing 3 paragraphs. Must have been tough. I'm still sad to see that there is no explanation of my ban. Maybe you tried to hint at something with that post. But really, I'm just wanting you to lay it out on the table. Open yourself up Man-At-Arms. You can never be happy if you don't.

[Channel9 Profile]

"The only bans that stay permanently are the cheats/hacks."

Pretty sure I'm permanently banned because I live in the same city as Killermik3

[wTh|Greg Profile YIM]

Originally posted by MAN-AT-ARMS
You have a problem with females?

No i dont. Super puzzy makes a GREAT admin. Its just that all the males get unfair treatment from you. And we still havn't got an answer for why killermike is banned. The reason you guys arn't giving a reason is because the reason is for his name, and you will feel foolish if you try to give the lame answer. Killermike is a great player on wolf, doesn't stack, and he is a good teamplayer. I mean there are guys that are like 10x's worse of a player than him and talk more shit, and cause ALOT more problems than him, and shit there not banned. This game is just like everything else in life. Its who you know (admins) and politics. Which is bullshit. And the really retarded thing is you only take time to get to know the females on here. So, i think you guys need to step up as admins because your supposed to be a good trend setter and tell everybody that has a bad name to change there names....including FEMALES!

[Stl Lunatic Profile WebsiteYIM]

Originally posted by MAN-AT-ARMS
1. Number of kills has never been a factor in anyone getting banned. I have no clue who gets how many kills and honeslty I couldn't care less.

I think what Greg referes to is the fact that most of the people that get banned for hacking. Wether or not they actually did hack or not is the fact that many of them get 60-70 kills and it causes admins to *sometimes* jump the gun.

Originally posted by MAN-AT-ARMS

3. There are basically 3 active female admins, whereas there are like 5 active male admins. Seems pretty balanced to me. So, What's your point here? You have a problem with females?

BTW, that was a joke Greg. Jeez

Our problem isn't the fact that they are admins now and how many there are. It just seems that you favor females as admins much more easily. Thats just what the signs point out.
Like greg said--

"Again not tring to cause trouble but just saying the way things look."

To me that is the way things have appeared...

[MAN-AT-ARMS]

How many times do you have to be banned Mike? No matter how many times you're unbanned you always have to come back and start shit with the admins. It's just not worth dealing with anymore.

If you or anyone else has a problem with any of the admins, all they have to do is come to me with the issue and I'll handle it. Simple as that. Whining, bitching, and arguing on the server is useless if I'm not there.

The other option is just not to play here at all if it's causing you this much distress.

[wTh|Greg Profile YIM]

Originally posted by Stl Lunatic
I think what Greg referes to is the fact that most of the people that get banned for hacking. Wether or not they actually did hack or not is the fact that many of them get 60-70 kills and it causes admins to *[b]sometimes* jump the gun.


Our problem isn't the fact that they are admins now and how many there are. It just seems that you favor females as admins much more easily. Thats just what the signs point out.
Like greg said--

"Again not tring to cause trouble but just saying the way things look."

To me that is the way things have appeared... [/B]

Dude im just gonna pm you what i want to say and you can break it down for me instead of us both posting.
But everything he said is correct.