Ex-Nazi guard's citizenship revoked
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:09 pm
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:12 pm
That's awful. The poor man. And to think, we let monsters like Jane Fonda, who ordered the torture of Vietnam POWs, get off free to marry a billionaire and rake in thousands off poorly produced fitness videos.
This country makes me sick sometimes... especially New Jersey... wait... I live in NJ.... well that sucks....
This country makes me sick sometimes... especially New Jersey... wait... I live in NJ.... well that sucks....
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:18 pm
I say, let him stay a citiizen.
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:39 pm
"No one who assisted the Nazi regime in its persecution of innocent civilians is entitled to the privilege of United States citizenship," prosecutor Christopher A. Wray said in a statement Wednesday.
Yeah, unless your name is VonBraun and you know a thing or two about rocketry.
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:41 pm
Or Einstien and you know how to blow stuff up.
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:44 pm
My god the war ended over 60 years ago! Just let it go, its not like the man was a Nazi just yesturday.
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:48 pm
Originally posted by Dakana
Or Einstien and you know how to blow stuff up.
Except Einstien was Jewish....
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:50 pm
He was going to war for his country...and thats a crime?
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:51 pm
Originally posted by NGame
we let monsters like Jane Fonda, who ordered the torture of Vietnam POWs,
That one is new. Where did you get that info?
Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:48 pm
Originally posted by Jeffro
He was going to war for his country...and thats a crime?
Guarding concentration camps isn't exactly going to war...
Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:15 pm
Originally posted by cashcow
Guarding concentration camps isn't exactly going to war...
Yes it is, if that is you assignment you do it. Cause in times of war, treason, desertion, cowardice infront of the enemy(I like this one) etc... are punishable by death. That is from the US UCMJ handbook I can just imagine how many other offensives are death penalities back in those days.
but like the others let him stay, he cant do anymore harm now.
Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:25 pm
But the SS/Gestapo members weren't exactly soldiers. At least, I wouldn't consider them soldiers, because the only enemy they fought until the end of the war was the civilian population.
That being said, this man still deserves citizenship.
That being said, this man still deserves citizenship.
Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:03 pm
NEVER AGAIN.
He forgets what his duties were.....how convenient. Maybe most or all of his victims are gone, but he fled his country for a reason; to escape justice. I'll bet he was model citizen herel, just like Klause Barbie was a kind old man when they caught up with him. 5, 10, 50 years, what difference does it make?
Guards at these camps were not like Sgt. Schultz on Hogan's Heros. It was and is still illegal for any Nazi guard, particulary the SS, to gain citizenship in the U.S. It's a bit disturbing to think there are those who have a flippent attitude toward this.
From court records:
Kuras did not dispute documents filed with the court that showed that after he entered German service in December 1942, he trained at the Nazi-operated Trawniki Training Camp in German-occupied Poland, where men were trained to participate in implementing the Third Reich’s plan to murder Jews in Poland, code-named “Operation Reinhard.” The men who were trained at Trawniki served in various capacities, including as armed guards at Nazi slave labor camps. According to documents filed with the court, Kuras admitted serving as an armed guard at three Nazi slave labor camps for Jews in German-occupied Poland: the SS Labor Camp Trawniki, located adjacent to the Trawniki Training Camp; the SS Labor Camp Poniatowa; and the SS Labor Camp Dorohucza. Papers filed by the government noted that Dorohucza was a particularly brutal camp where Jews were forced to work and live under horrific conditions. The documents also reflect that Kuras guarded the prisoners at these three forced labor camps until a few weeks prior to the two-day period of November 3-4, 1943, when more than 20,000 men, women and children incarcerated at Trawniki, Poniatowa and Dorohucza were shot to death in one of the largest single massacres of the Holocaust.
I have already said that the top echelons, to which I did not belong, gave the orders, and they rightly, in my opinion, deserved punishment for the atrocities which were perpetrated on the victims on their orders. But the subordinates are now also victims. I am one of such victims. - Adolf Eichmann
Yep, they're all innocent victims.
He forgets what his duties were.....how convenient. Maybe most or all of his victims are gone, but he fled his country for a reason; to escape justice. I'll bet he was model citizen herel, just like Klause Barbie was a kind old man when they caught up with him. 5, 10, 50 years, what difference does it make?
Guards at these camps were not like Sgt. Schultz on Hogan's Heros. It was and is still illegal for any Nazi guard, particulary the SS, to gain citizenship in the U.S. It's a bit disturbing to think there are those who have a flippent attitude toward this.
From court records:
Kuras did not dispute documents filed with the court that showed that after he entered German service in December 1942, he trained at the Nazi-operated Trawniki Training Camp in German-occupied Poland, where men were trained to participate in implementing the Third Reich’s plan to murder Jews in Poland, code-named “Operation Reinhard.” The men who were trained at Trawniki served in various capacities, including as armed guards at Nazi slave labor camps. According to documents filed with the court, Kuras admitted serving as an armed guard at three Nazi slave labor camps for Jews in German-occupied Poland: the SS Labor Camp Trawniki, located adjacent to the Trawniki Training Camp; the SS Labor Camp Poniatowa; and the SS Labor Camp Dorohucza. Papers filed by the government noted that Dorohucza was a particularly brutal camp where Jews were forced to work and live under horrific conditions. The documents also reflect that Kuras guarded the prisoners at these three forced labor camps until a few weeks prior to the two-day period of November 3-4, 1943, when more than 20,000 men, women and children incarcerated at Trawniki, Poniatowa and Dorohucza were shot to death in one of the largest single massacres of the Holocaust.
I have already said that the top echelons, to which I did not belong, gave the orders, and they rightly, in my opinion, deserved punishment for the atrocities which were perpetrated on the victims on their orders. But the subordinates are now also victims. I am one of such victims. - Adolf Eichmann
Yep, they're all innocent victims.
Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:07 pm
Ah, Fat, brother, we can tell who here has not worn the uniform and who has not.
The Gestapo was military inelegance. Part of the armed forces. They were soldiers. The SS was a military unit. The fought on all fronts. There were even SS Panzer divisions.
All in all this guy should get a pass. It has been a long time, he was just a soldier, let it go.
Now if someone has pictures of this guy doing something or if he was a general giving orders then that should be looked at. But if he was just a “grunt” then let it be.
The Gestapo was military inelegance. Part of the armed forces. They were soldiers. The SS was a military unit. The fought on all fronts. There were even SS Panzer divisions.
All in all this guy should get a pass. It has been a long time, he was just a soldier, let it go.
Now if someone has pictures of this guy doing something or if he was a general giving orders then that should be looked at. But if he was just a “grunt” then let it be.
Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:20 pm
Originally posted by Hunter/Killer
Ah, Fat, brother, we can tell who here has not worn the uniform and who has not.
The Gestapo was military inelegance. Part of the armed forces. They were soldiers. The SS was a military unit. The fought on all fronts. There were even SS Panzer divisions.
All in all this guy should get a pass. It has been a long time, he was just a soldier, let it go.
Now if someone has pictures of this guy doing something or if he was a general giving orders then that should be looked at. But if he was just a “grunt” then let it be.
The training of SS units in extermination camps was not for your normal everyday "grunt", or that of the SS Panzer division. Because many witnesses and records of the atrocities were long gone after the war, laws were passed to prevent citizenship of those assigned to deathcamps (again, the SS was the most agregious).