US MILITARY ACTION IN IRAQ Y or N?

by **COL.BUKKAKE** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:50 pm

Originally posted by FLOPPY
Maybe your right. We are scared of the US , because they can break every rule there is, just to achieve their goals. And they can do it unpunished-> who will tell them what to do? Proof all over: They wanna attack Iraq, so they just break with the UN rules.

Floppy the last resolution called for action on Dec. 7th, all 15 members of the security council signed it. France is a disgrace, just trying to cover up their little deals with Saddam. We do not follow UN rules, we follow the rules of the United States of America, screw the UN, what has that institution ever done that had any kind of relevance.

by **rust** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:59 pm

We are not breaking any rules.And since when did the USA's vital interests need anybody's "approval".All the reasons
we need for taking action are given to us in 1441.

by **Sidekick Floppy** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:59 pm

Originally posted by COL.BUKKAKE
Floppy the last resolution called for action on Dec. 7th, all 15 members of the security council signed it. France is a disgrace, just trying to cover up their little deals with Saddam. We do not follow UN rules, we follow the rules of the United States of America, screw the UN, what has that institution ever done that had any kind of relevance.

Well accually it was invented to prevent this situation. After WW2 the allies founded the UN to prevent such thing (WW2) from hapening again. Back then it was Germany that could do what it wanted unpunished. And once Germany tasted that power, well... you know what happened. And now this could be happening again. More then half the world says NO WAR (yet) , but America says: I WANT A WAR RIGHT NOW. Guess what happens right now.

by **Doug the Unforgiven** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:00 pm

Originally posted by FLOPPY
Maybe your right. We are scared of the US , because they can break every rule there is, just to achieve their goals. And they can do it unpunished-> who will tell them what to do? Proof all over: They wanna attack Iraq, so they just break with the UN rules.

UN rules? There is nothing in the US Constitution that requires the US to give up sovereignty to anyone. In fact, that would be downright illegal. Thank God there was no UN at the time of the American Revolution.

The League of Nations didn't do shit to stop Hitler; that's one reason it's considered such a universal failure. So why do people insist that following that example is such a good idea now?

by **COL.BUKKAKE** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:01 pm

Originally posted by Cpl. Bingham
Don't worry about your comment Bukk, I know it was in jest.

But yes, I do feel Canada compares, and equals, the US in terms of how "great" each country is. Of course we can't mach the US financially, we only have 30 million people up here, we don't generate as much cashflow as 300 million. But I love living here, I wouldn't live in any other country, US or otherwise, if someone paid me to do so. And I know you feel the same about the US.

Bing sorry I mistook your comparison anology, I'm sure Canada's is a great place to live, shit I bet any place in Canada is better than Jersey:D

by **Sidekick Floppy** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:02 pm

Originally posted by rust
We are not breaking any rules.And since when did the USA's vital interests need anybody's "approval".All the reasons
we need for taking action are given to us in 1441.

Please enlighten me of your 'vital interests'.

by **COL.BUKKAKE** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:03 pm

Originally posted by FLOPPY
Well accually it was invented to prevent this situation. After WW2 the allies founded the UN to prevent such thing (WW2) from hapening again. Back then it was Germany that could do what it wanted unpunished. And once Germany tasted that power, well... you know what happened. And now this could be happening again. More then half the world says NO WAR (yet) , but America says: I WANT A WAR RIGHT NOW. Guess what happens right now.

My God, is that a Hitler -USA comparison. Jesus Christ, what are they teaching you guys in Belgium.

We have had this power for much longer than Germany(Hitler), and by the clear fact that Europe is not occupied by the USA should show you how ridiculous your statement is. Hell after we beat the shit out of you we rebuild you, does that sound like something Germany(Hitler) would ever do.

by **Sidekick Floppy** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:07 pm

Originally posted by Doug the Unforgiven
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The League of Nations didn't do shit to stop Hitler; that's one reason it's considered such a universal failure. So why do people insist that following that example is such a good idea now?

Well the UN is founded for that exact purpose, to prevent what happened with Hitler. I stated this in the post right above you. Do you accually read the post?

by **COL.BUKKAKE** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:13 pm

I'm sick of this shit, I say pull all our troops home and let every country fend for themselves. Dont let anybody in, use those troops to secure the border and show our socalled friends our ass when they start gettin attacked .

by **Sidekick Floppy** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:15 pm

Originally posted by COL.BUKKAKE
My God, is that a Hitler -USA comparison. Jesus Christ, what are they teaching you guys in Belgium.

We have had this power for much longer than Germany(Hitler), and by the clear fact that Europe is not occupied by the USA should show you how ridiculous your statement is. Hell after we beat the shit out of you we rebuild you, does that sound like something Germany(Hitler) would ever do.

Ok I do NOT compare Hitler and the US, but rather the thing that resulted in a war. Back then nobody did something about Hitler, not even the US (all that more powerfull), until it was too late. Now maybe this is an attempt from the US to do something about the problem when its there, but I just think they are acting way too fast, like break off the talks and to go war, with nearly no allied countries.

The right thing to do for the US is to keep the talks going and not to be that impatient .

by **Sidekick Floppy** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:16 pm

Originally posted by COL.BUKKAKE
I'm sick of this shit, I say pull all our troops home and let every country fend for themselves. Dont let anybody in, use those troops to secure the border and show our socalled friends our ass when they start gettin attacked .

If you call us your friends, why dont you listen to our arguments? Why dont oyu share us ALL your information you have on Iraq. Let us see that so called hard evidence you have of the WMD. We will believe you, will will fight with you.

by **COL.BUKKAKE** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:24 pm

Originally posted by FLOPPY
If you call us your friends, why dont you listen to our arguments?

We do, we just disagree with them. 12 years of BS from Saddam, he was given enough time. France dont want us in, why, (money). Germany dont want us in, why,(money). Russia dont want us in, why,(money).

This is a game that Europe is playing and thank God we have a President that doesnt play games when it comes to the future of our country.

Dont give me that we want Iraqi oil shit, if oil was the reason, we would attack Canada.

I dont know bout you, but my feeling is the next terrorist attack will be an entire city destroyed and we arent going to sit around and wait for it to happen.

by **Doug the Unforgiven** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:28 pm

Originally posted by FLOPPY
Well the UN is founded for that exact purpose, to prevent what happened with Hitler. I stated this in the post right above you. Do you accually read the post?

Yes, I read your post (you posted while I was writing). Please don't get snippy.

My point was that if the UN was going to be exactly like the League of Nations, then it's useless. Maybe you should have actually understood my post before you started trying to flame me.

by **Doug the Unforgiven** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:35 pm

More time, more diplomacy...the US has been doing this.

More time, more diplomacy...guess who would get blamed if Hussein got more powerful and murdered thousands of Europeans...that's right - everyone would bitch that the US didn't act quickly enough. Everyone would be bitching that Hussein could have been stopped if the US had enforced the UN resolutions (who else is there to enforce them?).

It's a rigged shell-game. The US loses either way in the court of public opinion. That is until the Iraqis are dancing in the streets waving American flags and trying to kiss every soldier they see. Of course there will be people cynical of that as well.

by **bayotanzk** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:16 pm

Floppy,
You were close in your paraphrase:

"Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough reason for the president, it's good enough for me. I'm going to give the whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand over all aliens and
interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say 'Thank you' , I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom come."

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