US MILITARY ACTION IN IRAQ Y or N?

[{CN}Doomfarer]

Hey Anton, get over yourself.

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Indeed, It' the *US* that threatens everyone else!
It's the one that's on a major imperialist push to takeover the globe.
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Yeah, uh huh...

Look at the world map, hasn't changed much in the last few decades has it? Do we seek to spread our influence far and wide? Damned straight. Point out the government that has been around longer than ours. Must be doing something right, oh wait controling the mindless masses...

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It's the one with all the *real* 'weapons of mass destruction' (hell, it makes me puke to even have to use such transparent and hypocritical jargon).

It's the one that's abrogated the Nuclear Arms Treaty.

It's the one that has abrogated the Outer Space Treaty (of 1967 - banning weapons in space....Just what we need - nukes in space. Don't we all feel safer now?)

It's the one that has refused to sign the treaty to ban land mines....The one to contain biological and chemical weapons..

etc. etc, etc,
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While you are pointing fingers dipshit, point to most of the other 1st world countries. The devil you know holds less danger than the one you do not. I don't agree with even the storage of the shit, but I am realist. Now point out the last time we used these "weapons of mass destruction". While you are at it, point out those who HAVE used these weapons in recent times. Neat how that works out, isn't it?

Let's see treaties are next... Have you not noticed how much the world has changed in the last few decades? Do you not realize that most treaties do not take in to account what the future may bring? Do I feel safer now? No. Do I feel more fearful? No. Do you mention the OTHER countries also doing as they please, treaty or no? The simple fact of the matter is, treaties don't mean much to MOST countries, sad but true.

I will admit to some surprise concerning the landmine treaty. I have seen the effects these have on the civilian populations after wartime. A ban of those things would be nice, but would have no effect on those using the damned things these days.

[COL.BUKKAKE]

Originally posted by Doug the Unforgiven
the Garofolo video, go to Foxnews.com's fansite. You may have to register, but those interested in seeing it may not mind.

I heard it on Rush, then saw a replay on Hannity at night. Great shit

"What does me being a celebrity have to do with anything?"


"It's the only REASON your here", shut her right up.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Not to nitpick, but the U.S. exercised its right to withdraw from the ABM Treaty, it did not abrogate the treaty. See ABM Treaty Art. XV (http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/abmt/text/abm2.htm) ("Each Party shall, in exercising its national sovereignty, have the right to withdraw from this Treaty if it decides that extraordinary events related to the subject matter of this Treaty have jeopardized its supreme interests. It shall give notice of its decision to the other Party six months prior to withdrawal from the Treaty. Such notice shall include a statement of the extraordinary events the notifying Party regards as having jeopardized its supreme interests."). Technical difference, but we are talking about a legal document. You shouldn't cry about it anyway, since Canada wasn't a party to the Treaty anyway. The U.S. and Russia, as the successor to the Soviet Union, were the only parties.

Also, please explain how the U.S. is violating the "Outer Space Treaty"? Article IV of the Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies provides that "States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the Earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner." I'm not sure which orbiting nukes you are referring to, but please feel free to enlighten me after consulting whatever crackpot literature you need to.

[Rule of Wrist]

The points brought up by our esteemed Mr Wiggum, and my unanswered point that the "facts" Anton has spouted in the past are as invalid as any of the "facts" Anton claims to be false, prove that the arguments postulated by people like Anton are totally without credibility. This is why liberalism, socialism and communism are beginning to lose their hold on the american political sphere. After 9/11/01, people are beginning to realize what's really important. Individual freedom or an unattainable utopia.

Once people with thoughts and ideas based on reason, not emotion, take back our educational system, the battle of idealogy will be all but won. But that's a different thread.

[COL.BUKKAKE]

Allies? I think Canadians just have a bad case of penis envy.





http://cbc.ca/stories/2003/02/26/bastards030226

[angrybrit]

Canadians? Nah, it's just the lefties stooges trying to look bad ass. Well they only succeed in is looking like asses.

[Xenius]

Originally posted by angrybrit
Canadians? Nah, it's just the lefties stooges trying to look bad ass. Well they only succeed in is looking like asses.

And succeed they do.

[Keekanoo]

angrybrit said...."Canadians? Nah, it's just the lefties stooges trying to look bad ass. Well they only succeed in is looking like asses."

Tsk tsk tsk. I expected more than mindless slanderous rhetoric from one of my country-kin.

Are you TRYING to emulate Mr. Blair angrybrit? At least he attempts validity. Please compose an argument or suitable response next time.

[Keekanoo]

Bukkake...you continue to surprise me. You're link to the CBC web-site exhibits a curiousity and far-reaching probeing that bespeaks well of you.

[FarginMofo Profile]

Originally posted by Keekanoo
This is off topic, but relevant.
I'm not anti-American. I've travelled through the States and find the people, on the whole, very open. Much like I've found the people anywhere else.

Though I've gotten a bit hot-headed in here a few times and spat some things out hastilly, I think it's a merit to all of us that we're talking about these issues. Naturaly you'll defend your position. Naturally, I'll defend mine.

The issue of Iraq is very serious indeed. The commitment of the States, and by extension the taxes, labours and--lives--of it's people, and, to a lesser extent, the involvement of Britain, is an incredibly important theme. Frankly, given the amount who peruse these forums, I'm bothered that more don't become involved. It's a tragedy when such momentous events barely ripple the status quo. Cudo's to all here who put their two-cents in.

I don't hate your gov't. Nor do I hate mine. I AM incredibly wary of any ruling party which can go ahead--without consultation of the general public and, indeed, actually against it as in the case of the British subjects--and do what they wish.

Governors have three very disparate forces to balance. I don't envy their position. They must bow to the wishes of the wealthy--for it is the wealthy who can ruin an economy. They must placate the average citizen--for without them the work doesn't get done. They must be wary of 'outside' forces trying to take their resources.

We are watching a game of Civilization, real time, unfold. Albeit incredibly more complicated, the similarities to such games--which are designed, after all, on standard human dynamics--is quite obvious. One planet. Many governments/tribes. Limited resources. Mix and bake.

Yes, Kudos to all. Iraq is a serious issue indeed. I think what you see here on this forum, or better put lack of what you see, is an extension of American society today. Not enough people informed, not enough people involved, not enough people who care, even some people who aren't even aware. I bet you if I walked out into the street here and interviewed 100 people, asking them simple questions on Iraq and the whole situation, that many of the answers would be quite disturbing - imo. Sometimes I get the feeling people are more concerned with what female "Joe Millionare" is going to pick then they are with the events going on around them.

[bayotanzk Profile]

Well it is the evening after George W. Bush, President and Commander in Chief of the United States gave what sounded like the plan. Reconstruction for Iraq. Germany and Japan made the transition to democracy! Perhaps the UN will become the League of Nations?, perhaps NATO may not survive?

One thing is sure without debate. Iraq is about to get it's A$$ kicked in a most horribly humiliating way?

May the Stars and Stripes fly proudly over Baghdad if only for a brief time:lol:

[Ralph Wiggum]

Originally posted by Keekanoo
Bukkake...you continue to surprise me. You're link to the CBC web-site exhibits a curiousity and far-reaching probeing that bespeaks well of you.

I think it's callled Drudgereport. All of us right-wing extremists set it as our homepage.

[Kristov Profile ICQ]

I'm wondering is Keekano and Anton watched the interview on 60 Minutes 2 tonight..rather interesting one. Saddam Hussien, the man himself, in his own words.

Very interesting...did you know that Iraq didn't lose Desert Storm? That Iraq left Kuwait on it's own, the bombing by Coalition forces just happen to occur at the exact same time? That Saddam won't go into exile, even if it was the only way to prevent the destruction of Iraq? That the missles Hans Blitz says Iraq has that are violations of the sanctions don't exist, even though the weapons inspectors have reported them multiple times?

I think the last is the most telling. Missles that the UN inspectors have documented as being in Iraq and being in violation of the sanctions do not exist according to Saddam Hussien, so the rest of the accusations are all false as well.

Says it all right there doesn't it.

[Allister Fiend Profile Website]

Originally posted by Ralph Wiggum
I think it's callled Drudgereport. All of us right-wing extremists set it as our homepage.

Yes, Drudge Report is set as my homepage.


Another good site, by a Libertarian, to check out is Neil Boortz website at...
http://www.boortz.com/nealznuz.htm

he leans to the right on most things, also, he has some good links listed everyday under his Neal's Nuze section. I use it a good bit for reference material.


Allister Fiend

[MeatShield]

and below is another... This is actually a great site for great reporting that doesn't quite hit the front page of newspapers, but should..

World Net Daily

and this is a headliner currenty on the site...

Is al-Arian linked
to N.C. Qaida cell?
Brother-in-law went to college
with brains behind 9-11 plot

This college is about an hour from me... kinda scary that these Qaida cells could be anywhere.

and here is another link off of the same website, I know the majority of you guys will love this!!

U.S. citizens attack anti-war celebrities.
Fed up with opinions of TV, movie stars, ordinary people go on massive offensive