Admin abuse?

by **beowulf** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:10 pm

Fucking Christ,

All this bitchin and moanin for what? Because "I seen so and so admin treat somebody unfair?"

Worry about yourselves and keep outta others business. Just STFU already...lmao!

Fuck it, call a spade a spade and call me "suck up to admins".

beo <------newbie status (N.S.) new tag

by **Namloot** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:56 pm

Toche.

B

by **DocTrebor** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:11 pm

by **Destructor** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:41 pm

Originally posted by beowulf
Fucking Christ,

All this bitchin and moanin for what? Because "I seen so and so admin treat somebody unfair?"

Worry about yourselves and keep outta others business. Just STFU already...lmao!

beo <------newbie status (N.S.) new tag

you tell em' :lol:

by **YOOPER** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:53 am

Originally posted by LordVoodoo
In my opinion YOOPER bans too many people. Somebody say:"xyz is tk'ing me", and he bans him for 999 seconds. He banned 5-7 guys in 1 minute last night (I think it was last night, maybe the night before), I don't think all of them deserved that. And he is one of the guys who doesn't play anymore, he is only specing and searching a reason to ban somebody, that's my opinion.

REBUTTAL

I'm not sure I can even type fast enough to ban "5-7 guys in 1 minute"!! Your statement is entirely false. I invite you to procure any kind of evidence that would even lend a shred of credibility to your untruthful claims.

I do not ban anyone unless *I* see the infraction myself. If I get a complaint that xyz is tk'ing, then I spec xyz and watch for the evidence. Now, if I see that xyz accidentally clips a teammate, or blows them up with an ill-tossed grenade, the player will get a PM from me warning them to be more careful. It is done this way so as to not publicly embarrass the offending player. On the other hand, if I am speccing and see that it is blatantly obvious that xyz is there only to cause trouble by blocking or tk'ing, then they'll get a 999 right away.

The admins are committed to helping the amateur player who accidentally tk's from time to time (not to ban them without warning!). We've all seen those who have not had much practice aiming that panzer or the flamethrower. In these cases, I PM something along the lines of "Be more careful!! You're killing your teammates! Teamkilling is not allowed!!" Sometimes, their score gets too low and Punkbuster takes care of them. Other times, I see that the player really does make a valiant effort to "play by the rules" and tries to aim a little better. After all, they're there on the server to have fun and play a game just like the rest of us.

When PM warnings don't seem to work, it is common to move offensive players to the spectator team before a temporary ban is considered. Many (newer) players don't always pay attention to (or even see) the chat and PM warnings. When they suddenly find themselves on the spectator team, it has been my experience that they pay more attention to the words on their screen. Only then do they realize that they were doing something wrong. If, after rejoining, they continue their offensive behavior, a 999 second ban is usually issued, along with a statement of their infraction.

Contrary to your belief, VooDoo, the admins are not on the server "just looking to ban someone". We are there to ensure fun and fair gameplay for all who logon. And yes, that includes you.

As far as your claims that I am "...one of the guys who doesn't play anymore, he is only specing and searching a reason to ban...", I once again invite you to show evidence of each and every time I am on the server, with it broken down by how many minutes I spend in spectator mode, minutes on Allied, and minutes on Axis. You might be surprised and I suspect you'd have little choice but to retract your erroneous statement.

I must, however, point out that there are times that I am the only admin on the server. As such, it is common to be bombarded with PM's from players complaining about other players. As the admin, it is my responsibility to follow up on each complaint! I do not prejudge, and I give each complaint equal merit. Now imagine only five complaints to investigate...on a server that often has 50+ players connected. Can you not see how that may take a fair amount of time in spectator mode?

I suspect that if I didn't follow-up on each complaint, that you would be posting another message here on the forums spewing about how Yooper is a poor admin because he never bans anyone, even though he gets complaints about tk'ers all the time... <sigh> But, in your defense, I don't want to be overly presumptuous.

Perhaps this message can shed some light for those of you, such as VooDoo, who apparently don't fully understand the roles and responsibilities that us administrators voluntarily take upon ourselves.

Good Day,

Dr. Yooper

by **FigoJudas** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:12 pm

by **DocTrebor** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:19 pm

Originally posted by YOOPER
REBUTTAL

I'm not sure I can even type fast enough to ban "5-7 guys in 1 minute"!! Your statement is entirely false. I invite you to procure any kind of evidence that would even lend a shred of credibility to your untruthful claims.

I do not ban anyone unless *I* see the infraction myself. If I get a complaint that xyz is tk'ing, then I spec xyz and watch for the evidence. Now, if I see that xyz accidentally clips a teammate, or blows them up with an ill-tossed grenade, the player will get a PM from me warning them to be more careful. It is done this way so as to not publicly embarrass the offending player. On the other hand, if I am speccing and see that it is blatantly obvious that xyz is there [b]only to cause trouble by blocking or tk'ing, then they'll get a 999 right away.

The admins are committed to helping the amateur player who accidentally tk's from time to time (not to ban them without warning!). We've all seen those who have not had much practice aiming that panzer or the flamethrower. In these cases, I PM something along the lines of "Be more careful!! You're killing your teammates! Teamkilling is not allowed!!" Sometimes, their score gets too low and Punkbuster takes care of them. Other times, I see that the player really does make a valiant effort to "play by the rules" and tries to aim a little better. After all, they're there on the server to have fun and play a game just like the rest of us.

When PM warnings don't seem to work, it is common to move offensive players to the spectator team before a temporary ban is considered. Many (newer) players don't always pay attention to (or even see) the chat and PM warnings. When they suddenly find themselves on the spectator team, it has been my experience that they pay more attention to the words on their screen. Only then do they realize that they were doing something wrong. If, after rejoining, they continue their offensive behavior, a 999 second ban is usually issued, along with a statement of their infraction.

Contrary to your belief, VooDoo, the admins are not on the server "just looking to ban someone". We are there to ensure fun and fair gameplay for all who logon. And yes, that includes you.

As far as your claims that I am "...one of the guys who doesn't play anymore, he is only specing and searching a reason to ban...", I once again invite you to show evidence of each and every time I am on the server, with it broken down by how many minutes I spend in spectator mode, minutes on Allied, and minutes on Axis. You might be surprised and I suspect you'd have little choice but to retract your erroneous statement.

I must, however, point out that there are times that I am the only admin on the server. As such, it is common to be bombarded with PM's from players complaining about other players. As the admin, it is my responsibility to follow up on each complaint! I do not prejudge, and I give each complaint equal merit. Now imagine only five complaints to investigate...on a server that often has 50+ players connected. Can you not see how that may take a fair amount of time in spectator mode?

I suspect that if I didn't follow-up on each complaint, that you would be posting another message here on the forums spewing about how Yooper is a poor admin because he never bans anyone, even though he gets complaints about tk'ers all the time... <sigh> But, in your defense, I don't want to be overly presumptuous.

Perhaps this message can shed some light for those of you, such as VooDoo, who apparently don't fully understand the roles and responsibilities that us administrators voluntarily take upon ourselves.

Good Day,

Dr. Yooper [/B]

Just what the Doctor ordered...a nice big can of PWNT

by **Keekanoo** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:33 pm

The panel will now convene to study Mr. Yoopers masters thesis in private. Please enjoy the refreshments provided. The judges panel will reconvene tomorrow at this time to hear Mr. Yoopers verbal dissertation.

by **King** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:48 pm

that was moving yooper.... but im still not convinced. LOL

by **^wo0t** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:45 am

Having a phd does not mean you have any sense of being an rtcw admin.

by **Killer Mike** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:46 am

Originally posted by ^wo0t
Having a phd does not mean you have any sense of being an rtcw admin.

lmao

by **FigoJudas** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:49 am

Originally posted by FigoJudas
:rotflmao:

PS::rotflmao:

by **LordVoodoo** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:05 am

I wish everyone would act like this YOOPER...

Originally posted by YOOPER
I do not ban anyone unless *I* see the infraction myself. If I get a complaint that xyz is tk'ing, then I spec xyz and watch for the evidence. Now, if I see that xyz accidentally clips a teammate, or blows them up with an ill-tossed grenade, the player will get a PM from me warning them to be more careful. It is done this way so as to not publicly embarrass the offending player. On the other hand, if I am speccing and see that it is blatantly obvious that xyz is there [b]only to cause trouble by blocking or tk'ing, then they'll get a 999 right away.
[/B]

Really? So u speced me before u kicked me for "blocking the spawndoor"? I was playing as "Chaos" I think. Somebody blamed me for blocking the doorway, because I taped out before he could revive me and 5 seconds later I got kicked with the message:"Never block!". I'm sure as LordVoodoo u wouldn't act like this. And I'm sure u kicked me, it was at the morning (6 vs 6 scrim) and u was the only online admin.

Originally posted by YOOPER
The admins are committed to helping the amateur player who accidentally tk's from time to time (not to ban them without warning!). We've all seen those who have not had much practice aiming that panzer or the flamethrower. In these cases, I PM something along the lines of "Be more careful!! You're killing your teammates! Teamkilling is not allowed!!" Sometimes, their score gets too low and Punkbuster takes care of them. Other times, I see that the player really does make a valiant effort to "play by the rules" and tries to aim a little better. After all, they're there on the server to have fun and play a game just like the rest of us.

Oh yeah, admins help the new players to aim, ridiculous!!! Is that the reason why most admins bind something like "The quickest way to get a ban is to tk or bleed your teamates!" to a key and spam with it? Or scaring away people like Spacealien, insulting him in a PM, that is helping? The most helpful thing is to rename new players. Is it funny to compromise WolfPlayers with names like "Wilma", "Petunya" or "Schlumpfine"? Just imagine this guy plays the first time and trys to figure out how to play and Keek takes publicly rise out of this guy.

Originally posted by YOOPER
I must, however, point out that there are times that I am the only admin on the server. As such, it is common to be bombarded with PM's from players complaining about other players. As the admin, it is my responsibility to follow up on each complaint! I do not prejudge, and I give each complaint equal merit. Now imagine only [b]five complaints to investigate...on a server that often has 50+ players connected. Can you not see how that may take a fair amount of time in spectator mode? [/B]

You are never the only admin in a 25 vs 25 match, never! And ok, specing is nothing wrong (particulary with 50 players on the server), but u always spec since u became an admin, even in the 6 vs 6 scrims at the mornings.

Originally posted by beowulf

I've speced you Figo and admire the way you play...hard, no nonsense, no spamming, pwning, etc. You play a very solid game IMO, just wondering why you seem to take this topic to heart.

beo <----wannabe just like killerMike, ^wo0t, rev, Figo, ticks, etc!

Do u know why some of this guys don't talk much? They are pissed of the admins. I don't think Figo uses his S.M. (silent mode) tag just for fun. He doesn't play on ECGN with too many admins, think about it. Same for one of the other guys u enumerated, he told me in a PM that most level 2 admins are unnecessary and Keek and Savant are the only good admins.
Yeah, this guys don't say it publicly, but they have the same opinion.

Have a nice day!

by **LordVoodoo** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:11 am

Oh, and by the way. The "which admin cancels votes faster" competition is awesome. The opinion of the players aren't important.

by **FigoJudas** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:21 am

Originally posted by LordVoodoo
Yeah, those guys don't say it publicly, but they have the same opinion.

Since when is important what I/they say? :freak:

confused:freak:

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