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by **Rule of Wrist** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:16 pm

WWII thingy?

Like I said go back to school.

We need a "cool" leader? What the fuck are you talking about? What do you know about american politics? There is no one, anywhere that could be doing a better job than bush.

What any of you antiwar european whiners fail to realize is this war was declared 15 years ago. We have tried to ignore it up to now because of people like you. Then 9/11 happened. It would not be ignored any longer. The forces arrayed against us in this war seek only our destruction. Why doesn't matter. If we were to ignore it any further, they would just chip away at the US until we collapsed.

But maybe thats what you europeans want? A return to prominence.

When you move to someplace that won't fit in a CORNER of my COUNTY come talk to me....

by **Doug the Unforgiven** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:17 pm

By the way, what the hell are "biljards"?:rotflmao:

by **Iron Pyrite** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:23 pm

Originally posted by Doug the Unforgiven
By the way, what the hell are "biljards"?:rotflmao:

Well I figured it was either "Billions" or "Billiards". As bent as some of the replies have been, I wonder now if I chose wrong when I assumed it was "billions".

by **[WEF]Herr Renz** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:26 pm

rust: this war isn't what is right for the world, and i don't care about what that John Stewart Mill or who ever he is says... i'll give you such a text:

"War is terrible, people die while they don't have to die... the person that has nothing for which he is filling to fight is a person that has peace in his hart... that person doesn't hate, that person doesn't get hated, that person loves and has a will to live...
a person that takes another life by own will isn't worth his own life, he isn't worth to say that he belives in any kind of god cause when he would belive in a god he would know that the only way he would go is to hell. people that say they go to war becuase they follow orders are the worst of all... they are too silly to admit that they know that what they do is wrong...

PEOPLE THAT GO TO WAR DOESN'T APPRECIATE LIFE, NOT THEIR OWN, NOR THE OTHERONE'S" - Herr Renz

and NO you haven't the right to do what you THINK is right for your country if that involves talking lives away... only god has that right ...
(or whatever god stands for, i don't really believe, i actually mean that nobody has that right) ...

by **[WEF]Herr Renz** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:29 pm

about WWII i don't mention anything against USA... for my opinion in that case the US where on defence... Germany had done the first step to war... but Saddam hasn't...

by **bayotanzk** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:31 pm

.......and won't.

by **COL.BUKKAKE** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:31 pm

Originally posted by [WEF]Herr Renz
rust: this war isn't what is right for the world, and i don't care about what that John Stewart Mill or who ever he is says... i'll give you such a text:

"War is terrible, people die while they don't have to die... the person that has nothing for which he is filling to fight is a person that has peace in his hart... that person doesn't hate, that person doesn't get hated, that person loves and has a will to live...
a person that takes another life by own will isn't worth his own life, he isn't worth to say that he belives in any kind of god cause when he would belive in a god he would know that the only way he would go is to hell. people that say they go to war becuase they follow orders are the worst of all... they are too silly to admit that they know that what they do is wrong...

PEOPLE THAT GO TO WAR DOESN'T APPRECIATE LIFE, NOT THEIR OWN, NOR THE OTHERONE'S" - Herr Renz

Nice speech Renz, now if the rest of the world could live in DisneyLand with you, maybe we wouldnt have these problems.

by **Rule of Wrist** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:41 pm

Renz, what you are stating is western philosophy.

The middle east, and many other places DO NOT share those views. Life has little meaning to them. That is what we are dealing with. They WILL kill us just to see the look on our face as we die. They will destroy just to see if they can. Why doesn't matter. I point again to 9/11.

We have to fight fire with fire, or the world of order will become the the world of chaos. There will be no peaceful places left. At least now, there are some...

by **Doug the Unforgiven** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:43 pm

Originally posted by [WEF]Herr Renz
a person that takes another life by own will isn't worth his own life, he isn't worth to say that he belives in any kind of god cause when he would belive in a god he would know that the only way he would go is to hell.

By this reasoning.....If someone broke into my house and tried to harm me or my wife, it would be my "own will" to stop him, kill him if necessary. My "own will" to protect my family is wrong? Using God to make this point shows that you know as little about God as you do Geopolitics.

by **Rule of Wrist** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:53 pm

Renz, go think through your arguments and come back to us with your own thoughts as they apply to this situation.

Others' philsophy for different subjects does not apply. Religious views do not apply. Emotion does not apply. Rational reasoned arguments. Consider it an education.

by **Stephanie** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:21 pm

PEOPLE THAT GO TO WAR DOESN'T APPRECIATE LIFE, NOT THEIR OWN, NOR THE OTHERONE'S" - Herr Renz

Ok correct me if I am wrong but, these PEOPLE who go to war do appreciate life, because without these PEOPLE then we would not have the rights we have today, and we would not live life the way we do

And those in the war are fighting not only for there country but others as well, so how can you sit there and say that they do not appreciate there life or other peoples lives, when they are in Iraq right now fighting to free people from there dictator {Saddam}who has ruined and destroyed the lives of innocent people

So I think that you should think before you decide to speak your opinion of those so called PEOPLE!!!

by **[WEF]Herr Renz** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:27 pm

ok, here we go again

bayotanzk: so you agree that all the deaths in this war are america's fault...

Bukkake: what the hell has disneyland to do with this? if you wonna sya something say it clear and don't just sy something ... i don't life in disneyland, what i said is logical... and hwat you said was again childness...

Wrist (1): well the point is that the others think just the same about fighting fire with fire... so it won't stop ever... (and fire you fight with water...) and Belgium is a peacefull place, america isn't...

Doug: you may protect your famillie but if you can only do it by killing someone that's bad... (the fact that there are people that come into our house to harm us is bad...) we life in a bad world... but i don't wonna make it any worser...

Wrist (2): you should have to know that every matter goes about Philosophy, religious or emotions... that's where all the iraq think is all about... the philosophy of saddams regime, the religious in Iraq and the emotions of the people...
and talk with Bukkake about rational reassoned arguments...

by **[WEF]Herr Renz** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:31 pm

Stephanie, i wonna see if you still want the war if you weren't sitting there but fighting... and getting wounded and maybe even getting killed... or your husband... what if he would get killed in that war? would you blame Iraq for it?

and like i said before (i've often to repeat what i said before) my thoughts about defending are differend... cause then in some cases you have to... but every war where you attack is a war that you could have avoided...

by **PudriK** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:31 pm

Any of you ever heard of forum ettiquette, as in: stay on topic or START YOUR OWN THREAD. I suggest "Beating your head against a wall." Here's a good quote to keep in mind:

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man by argument.
- William McAdoo

That said, let me answer Rule of Wrist - wait, I have to go back and read his post again...

by **Stephanie** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:32 pm

Bukkake: what the hell has disneyland to do with this? if you wonna sya something say it clear and don't just sy something ... i don't life in disneyland, what i said is logical... and hwat you said was again childness

I think what he is trying to say is get out of your happy go wonderland and check in to reality!!!

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