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Ty Parrot, nicely said.

[S.Shooter]

Word Parrot.

Tips for EGO crushed players: instead of accusing everybody try to learn how they play and start outsmart/kill them. Open your mind. Don't get stuck in your 'routines'. Beware of your surroundings, listen for sounds that you know is a threat, FEEL the game. Play duel and practice maps, try some OSP. Try high/low ping servers and compare. Play some scrims etc. It will make you a better player if you really want to. Takes some effort tho, not a thing you learn in a day or a week. I've practice hard for almost 5 months now and got just slightly better, - still an improvement.

And most important, all players are not good everyday. We are humans and some days we all just suck. Other days you aim and you hit 'everything' (bot on, bot off? rofl)

There is always a better player , try to be that one.

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Nicely said again.

[Col_frosty]

Originally posted by SavageParrot
Wow ok so maybe we should start banning everyone who shows no signs of hacking because clearly the lack of evidence is as compelling proof that they hack as anything real.

If they don't show any signs of hacking on pb sreenshots or after extensive demoing then as far as we are concerned they don't hack. Sure it's possible that we could be wrong, I'm not that arrogant. But we are not going to ban someone on the 5 percent chance that, in the dozens of demos we have been subjected to of these players, we may have missed the 1 second lapse of concentration when the supposed hacker let his guard down and showed a sign of hacking. It's possible, just like it's possible that you could cram your head an inch further up your own ass but I wouldn't recommend you try.

You are right that we are not going to catch every little private hack or every careful botter. When, however, you have watched close to 10 hours of demos on the same guy and still haven't turned anything up I think it's pretty much as sure as you can be that they don't hack.

Anyway this is beside the point because we are not stopping people from looking out for hackers just from making accusations in a certain way: You can think whoever you want to think hacks, you can take demos and send them to the admins, you can pm your friends about it.

What you cannot do any more is globally (or publicly in team chat) whine about it and drag people's names through the mud without proof, spam votes to get them kicked or tk them to make them leave. If I witness that or get screenshots of it and you or whoever it is can expect to get !mute/kick/banned.

Right, which leads me back to my previous point. You're not gonna catch the better hackers hacking because they're not stupid enough to follow people on the other side of the wall with their crosshair, especially after explaining to hackers, both here, and elsewhere, just how exactly you found them to be hacking. For those that have been hacking for a while, they're learned how not to let you see that they're looking on the other side of the wall while you are viewing them in demos.

Let's be real here. You're looking at them pointing crosshairs and looking around walls while you should be watching for them simply being too fast when others round the corners, for them not to be using nowalls.

As long as the hackers stay ahead of you, they will continue to win, and thrive.

I can safely say that I'm ahead of them.

And can you quit with the "you accuse everyone" of hacking. I have maybe accused 5 percent of the people that play on ecg of hacking, if that. That's five out of about 100 players I have seen. I can count them all on my hands. I have played with atleast 250 to 300 people(and that's a conservative figure at least) on your server.

I do realize the idea behind continually saying I "accuse everyone" is meant to take away my credibility, but still. Let's stay within the lines here.

I don't apologize for standing up against hackers and for the better players, and making it a serious point.

[aphid Profile]

To be honest here, sometimes when I play at night, there are some players who are a bit too good. Their play just seems different. No, not lower ping different. These are the same players who are not as good during the day when there are admins on. Could just be something nonexistent or it could be something more. So, I can understand where some of Col_frosty's accusations come from.

Personally, I really don't care. That is, unless I dislike the person on a personal level. I just like playing the devil's advocate.

[SavageParrot Profile]

Originally posted by Col_frosty
Let's be real here. You're looking at them pointing crosshairs and looking around walls while you should be watching for them simply being too fast when others round the corners, for them not to be using nowalls.

It's a small map and people almost always camp in the same places. It's really not that hard to be instantly ready for an attack from a place you have probably been ambushed from a thousand times.

The thing I notice when I play against twitch or cyborg is that you can never get away with the same trick twice. I might ambush them in one spot but the next time they come that way they are gonna be ready for me. Everybody has a few spots they check for campers but these guys will check every spot. CHeck the demos of them and you'll see they will scan obvious camping spots even when there is no-one there. It's clever play. Try shifting position continually keep them on their toes.

These guys work hard at their wolf, possiblyy unhealthily so . I've personally witnessed cyborg spending close to 6 hours practicing his jumping and his one on one dueling with another clan mate. I don't begrudge him his skills, he's earnt them. If you want to beat them you need to either get in practice or get smart. But I guess it's easier to imagine them hacking because that way you are still better than them it just that they 'must be cheating'...

Oh and get some earphones I can't emphasise that enough. Tweak your sound setting and you really, REALLY don't need a wallhack. I play with my sound turned up and I can honestly say that if I am camping I can always tell when a player is going to walk though a doorway based on the sound of their approaching footsteps. That's why you catch them based on tracking players through walls with the crosshair. Following a player through a wall is impossible whereas knowing when they are about to come through the door is absurdly easy...

Here's my sound settings and they are not even as high as you can get. If you have any worse settings than that and you don't play with earphones then you really should change your settings and buy a head set. Wallhacks are for chumps who want to get pb banned by screenshot. Good sound is legal and will give you almost all the advantages anyway.

seta s_volume "0.8"
seta s_musicvolume "0.5"
seta s_separation "0.5"
seta s_doppler "1"
seta s_khz "44"
seta s_mixahead "0.2"
seta s_mixPreStep "0.05"
seta s_defaultsound "0"
seta s_wavonly "0"
seta com_soundMegs "24"

Honestly who want's to play without walls anyway. Look at the screenshots...that shit is nauseating. Half the time you see wall hackers like spaz running into wall because they just can't tell they are there. It's a colossal waste of time.

Originally posted by Col_frosty
I can safely say that I'm ahead of them.

But of course you are. You are the god of wolf. You know everything...

Originally posted by Col_frosty
I don't apologize for standing up against hackers and for the better players, and making it a serious point.

Which better players? All of them or just the ones you know and don't accuse?


There's a school of thought that says that unless players are from good osp clans/have played in big tourneys and can still cut it with the best of rtcw player then they must be hacking. I don't buy into that school of thought. If you practice a lot and continally work at improving your game then anyone can get good.

[Col_frosty]

Yes, I play with my sound up high. Yes, it helps. A lot.

However, if you think that only people that you can clearly see hacking in demos are the only people hacking, you're living in a fantasy world.

[Col_frosty]

Originally posted by aphid
To be honest here, sometimes when I play at night, there are some players who are a bit too good. Their play just seems different. No, not lower ping different. These are the same players who are not as good during the day when there are admins on. Could just be something nonexistent or it could be something more. So, I can understand where [b]some of Col_frosty's accusations come from.

Personally, I really don't care. That is, unless I dislike the person on a personal level. I just like playing the devil's advocate. [/B]

It's all about bullet lag. I can play a lot better late at night when A) there is a lot less traffic in general on the internet and B) there is a lot less people on average on the server. The key is 1) my 115 avg ping and 2) the fact that I'm on the other side of the country. It creates a lot of bullet lag when A) and B) are in effect.

My shots and game skillz are all relative however, my bullets actually make it to the other players on time.

[SavageParrot Profile]

Originally posted by Col_frosty
Yes, I play with my sound up high. Yes, it helps. A lot.

However, if you think that only people that you can clearly see hacking in demos are the only people hacking, you're living in a fantasy world.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasy

So wanting proof of something before you believe in it classifies as fantasy now? There was me thinking that imagining people hacking to justify getting killed be them was fantasy but obviously anothere thing I must have been mistaken about...

I've already said that we won't catch all the hackers. If you are smart enough to make your own hack and not dumb enough to make it public then it very likely won't get caught by pb. If you have an aimbot or a wallhack though at some point you will slip up and show that it's there. If you watch hours upon hours of demos of a player and you still can't see any evidence of hacks the rational mind has to conclude that there are no hacks. Obviously if someone gets some actual proof then that will change.

[Col_frosty]

Originally posted by SavageParrot
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasy

So wanting proof of something before you believe in it classifies as fantasy now? There was me thinking that imagining people hacking to justify getting killed be them was fantasy but obviously anothere thing I must have been mistaken about...

That's a great website. You might wanna use it to spellcheck your words. Seriously, "anothere"? That's a new one.

Secondly, my usage of the word fantasy falls under definition 6. An unrealistic or improbable supposition.

Originally posted by SavageParrot
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I've already said that we won't catch all the hackers. If you are smart enough to make your own hack and not dumb enough to make it public then it very likely won't get caught by pb. If you have an aimbot or a wallhack though at some point you will slip up and show that it's there. If you watch hours upon hours of demos of a player and you still can't see any evidence of hacks the rational mind has to conclude that there are no hacks. Obviously if someone gets some actual proof then that will change.

The problem isn't that you're not catching all the hackers, the problem is that you're hardly catching any. I'm sure there are many that even I can't see.

And lastly, big words don't scare me.

[SavageParrot Profile]

I'm done arguing with you. You could be quite the most arrogant and irrational person I have ever spoken to on these forums and that really is saying something. So there it is; keep living in your little bubble if it makes you feel better about being an average player. It makes no difference to me.

You don't have to listen to my warning either. A lot of other people didn't and they are settiling down quite nicely into life on Happy Penguin. I hear it's a really nice place to play once you get past the panzers and the airstikes. I'd lay bets their ban list is less comprehensive than ours though so you can have fun spotting all the hackers over there as well...

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I really don't know why you even argued this far with him. You have said the same thing over and over again in all your posts. I think from now on all the Frosties who want to cry hacker in global or bother people in pm's with it can be !mute and if they come back and it keeps happening then a !kick and if the Frosties want to continue with the crying then I think a !ban will do. Then we don't have to hear the crying or listen to how shitty the admins are because we can't catch them all. You can take your pro hack catching skills to another server and let some other admin listen to it.

[SavageParrot Profile]

I think out side of perhaps ganja and tao you have to look very hard for a server that has as large a ban list as ecgn and most of those bans are for hacks.

I just fnd it funny because any time I play on other servers I almost always spot players who I know for a fact we have banned from ecgn. It's kind of the reason I never use the name savage parrot on other servers. There's always a degree of social awkwardness playing with a guy you know you have banned elsewhere

[King Profile]

I like the fact that frosty hangs around here even though it appears no one likes the delusional pompous ass. When you become critical of someone's lack of spell-check usage, it really shows you have no dick. Now piss off.

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When you start pointing out spelling mistakes it shows you are desperate to find something to complain about.